of this from the history of the chicago fire, san francisco earthquake to katrina, when you take the underpinnings of society and strip it bare, when you take out the things that are the linchpin of how people interact and cooperate with each other, that is when you reduce the power relations to the most raw. nothing more political than the moments of disaster because it lays bare who has power in a society and who doesn't. >> just the fact, also one of the things that government does, one of the things government must do, is help protect us from the things we can't protect ourselves from. when we have a disaster, fire, a hurricane, you have to ask the question is government doing all it can do to insulate us from this and if government or people out there are denying climate change and some of these things may be related to that, that's a pretty big dereliction of duty. >> rick perry did pray for rain during fires that burned in texas through most of the year. we didn't get to talk about the president and what he might do if he's re-elected. >> people should watch "up" tomorrow.